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+From: "Jim Buttafuoco" <jim@buttafuoco.net>
+To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>, jim@buttafuoco.net
+cc: Vadim Mikheev <vmikheev@sectorbase.com>,
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+Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Status of index location patch
+Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:34:36 -0500
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+
+Bruce,
+
+I stopped all work on this since people seemed confused about the
+tablespace/location words. I don't think enough of the "core" team likes
+this idea. Am I wrong here? Did I explain the patch good enough?
+
+Please let me know, I still am planning on doing it for internal use. I
+would prefer that it was a standard feature. If you think I should still
+pursue this, let me know what I need to do to get it off the ground.
+
+Thanks for your help
+Jim
+
+
+
+> Jim, do you have an updated patch that you would like applied for 7.3?
+>
+> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+>
+> Jim Buttafuoco wrote:
+> > Vadim,
+> >
+> > I guess I am still confused...
+> >
+> > In dbcommands.c resolve_alt_dbpath() takes the db oid as a argument.
+> > This number is used to "find" the directory where the data files live.
+> > All the patch does is put the indexes into a "db oid"_index directory
+> > instead of "db oid"
+> >
+> >
+> > This is for tables snprintf(ret, len, "%s/base/%u", prefix, dboid);
+> > This is for indexes snprintf(ret, len, "%s/base/%u_index", prefix,
+> > dboid);
+> >
+> > And in catalog.c
+> > tables: sprintf(path, "%s/base/%u/%u", DataDir, rnode.tblNode,
+> > rnode.relNode);
+> > indexes: sprintf(path, "%s/base/%u_index/%u", DataDir,
+> > rnode.tblNode,rnode.relNode);
+> >
+> > Can you explain how I would get the tblNode for an existing database
+> > index files if it doesn't have the same OID as the database entry in
+> > pg_databases.
+> >
+> > Jim
+> >
+> >
+> > > > Just wondering what is the status of this patch. Is seems from
+> > comments
+> > > > that people like the idea. I have also looked in the archives for
+> > other
+> > > > people looking for this kind of feature and have found alot of
+> > interest.
+> > > >
+> > > > If you think it is a good idea for 7.2, let me know what needs to be
+> > > > changed and I will work on it this weekend.
+> > >
+> > > Just change index' dir naming as was already discussed.
+> > >
+> > > Vadim
+> > >
+> > >
+> >
+> >
+> >
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+>
+> --
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+
+From lockhart@fourpalms.org Tue Mar 5 08:02:50 2002
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+Subject: Re: Storage Location Patch Proposal for V7.3
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+
+...
+> Forward compatibility to a future tablespace implementation.
+> If we do this, we'll be stuck with supporting this feature set,
+> not to mention this syntax; neither of which have garnered any
+> support from the assembled hackers.
+
+The feature set (in some incarnation) is exactly something we should
+have. "Tablespace" could mean almost anything, since (I recall that) we
+are not slavishly copying the Oracle features having a similar name. The
+syntax (or something similar) seems acceptable to me. I haven't looked
+at the implementation itself.
+
+So, I'll guess that the particular objection to this implementation is
+along the lines of wanting to be able to manage tablespaces/locations as
+a single entity? So that one could issue commands like (forgive the
+syntax) "move tablespace xxx to yyy;" and be able to yank the entire
+contents from one place to another in a single line?
+
+Jim's patches don't explicitly tie the pieces residing in a single
+location together. Is that the objection? In all other respects (and
+perhaps in all respects period) it seems to be a good starting point at
+least.
+
+I know that you have said that you want to look at "tablespaces" for
+7.3. If we get there with a feature set we all find acceptable, then
+great. If we don't, then Jim's subset of features would be great to
+have.
+
+Comments?
+
+ - Thomas
+
+From pgsql-hackers-owner+M19763@postgresql.org Wed Mar 6 19:50:47 2002
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+From: "Jim Buttafuoco" <jim@buttafuoco.net>
+To: "pgsql-hackers" <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
+Reply-To: jim@buttafuoco.net
+Subject: [HACKERS] Storage Location / Tablespaces (try 3)
+Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:44:43 -0500
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+
+Me again, I have some more details on my storage location patch
+
+
+
+This patch would allow the system admin (DBA) to specify the location of
+databases, tables/indexes and temporary objects (temp tables and temp sort
+space) independent of the database/system default location. This patch would
+replace the current "LOCATION" code.
+
+Please let me know if you have any questions/comments. I would like to see
+this feature make 7.3. I believe it will take about 1 month of coding and
+testing after I get started.
+
+Thanks
+Jim
+
+==============================================================================
+Storage Location Patch (Try 3)
+
+
+(If people like TABLESPACE instead of LOCATION then s/LOCATION/TABLESPACE/g
+below)
+
+
+This patch would add the following NEW commands
+----------------------------------------------------
+ CREATE LOCATION name PATH 'dbpath';
+ DROP LOCATION name;
+
+where dbpath is any directory that the postgresql backend can write to.
+(I know this is how Oracle works, don't know about the other major db systems)
+
+The following NEW GLOBAL system table would be added.
+-----------------------------------------------------
+PG_LOCATION
+(
+ LOC_NAME name,
+ LOC_PATH text -- This should be able to take any path name.
+);
+(initdb would add (PGDATA,'/usr/local/pgsql/data')
+
+The following system tables would need to be modified
+-----------------------------------------------------
+PG_DATABASE drop datpath
+ add DATA_LOC_NAME name or DATA_LOC_OID OID
+ add INDEX_LOC_NAME name or INDEX_LOC_OID OID
+ add TEMP_LOC_NAME name or TEMP_LOC_OID OID
+PG_CLASS to add LOC_NAME name or LOC_OID OID
+
+DATA_LOC_* and INDEX_LOC_* would default to PGDATA if not specified.
+
+(I like *LOC_NAME better but I believe the rest of the systems tables use OID)
+
+
+The following command syntax would be modified
+------------------------------------------------------
+CREATE DATABASE WITH DATA_LOCATION=XXX INDEX_LOCATION=YYY TEMP_LOCATION=ZZZ
+CREATE TABLE aaa (...) WITH LOCATION=XXX;
+CREATE TABLE bbb (c1 text primary key location CCC) WITH LOCATION=XXX;
+CREATE TABLE ccc (c2 text unique location CCC) WITH LOCATION=XXX;
+CREATE INDEX XXX on SAMPLE (C2) WITH LOCATION BBB;
+
+
+
+Now for an example
+------------------------------------------------------
+First:
+ postgresql is installed at /usr/local/pgsql
+ userid postgres
+ the postgres user also is the owner of /pg01 /pg02 /pg03
+
+the dba executes the following script
+CREATE LOCATION pg01 PATH '/pg01';
+CREATE LOCATION pg02 PATH '/pg02';
+CREATE LOCATION pg03 PATH '/pg03';
+CREATE LOCATION bigdata PATH '/bigdata';
+CREATE LOCATION bigidx PATH '/bigidx';
+\q
+
+PG_LOCATION now has
+pg01 | /pg01
+pg02 | /pg02
+pg03 | /pg03
+bigdata | /bigdata
+bigidx | /bigidx
+
+Now the following command is run
+CREATE DATABASE jim1 WITH DATA_LOCATION='pg01' INDEX_LOCATION='pg02'
+TEMP_LOCATION='pg03'
+-- OID of 'jim1' tuple is 1786146
+
+on disk the directories look like this
+/pg01/1786146 <<-- Default DATA Location
+/pg02/1786146 <<-- Default INDEX Location
+/pg03/1786146 <<-- Default Temp Location
+
+All files from the above directories will have symbolic links to
+/usr/local/pgsql/data/base/1786146/
+
+
+
+Now the system will have 1 BIG table that will get its own disk for data and
+its own disk for index
+create table big (a text,b text ..., primary key (a,b) location 'bigidx');
+
+oid of big table is 1786150
+oid of big table primary key index is 1786151
+
+on disk directories look like this
+/bigdata/1786146/1786150
+/bigidx/1786146/1786151
+/usr/local/pgsql/data/base/1786146/1786150 symbolic link to
+/bigdata/1786146/1786150
+/usr/local/pgsql/data/base/1786146/1786151 symbolic link to
+/bigdata/1786146/1786151
+
+
+
+The symbolic links will enable the rest of the software to be location
+independent.
+
+
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+ message dated "Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:05:19 -0500"
+Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:46:36 -0500
+Message-ID: <15707.1015541196@sss.pgh.pa.us>
+From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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+"Jim Buttafuoco" <jim@buttafuoco.net> writes:
+> My first try passed the tablespace OID arround but someone pointed out the the
+> WAL code doesn't know what the tablespace OID is or what it's location is.
+
+The low-level file access code (including WAL references) names tables
+by two OIDs, which currently are database OID and relfilenode (the
+latter is NOT to be considered equivalent to table OID, even though it
+presently always is equal).
+
+I believe that the correct implementation approach is to revise things
+so that the low-level name of a table is tablespace OID + relfilenode;
+this physical table name would in concept be completely distinct from
+the logical table identification (database OID + table OID). The file
+reference path would become something like
+"$PGDATA/base/tablespaceoid/relfilenode", where tablespaceoid might
+reference a symlink to a directory instead of a plain directory.
+Tablespace management then consists of setting up those symlinks
+correctly, and there is essentially zero impact on the low-level access
+code.
+
+The hard part of this is that we are probably being sloppy in some
+places about the difference between physical and logical table
+identifications. Those places will need to be found and fixed.
+This needs to happen anyway, of course, since the point of introducing
+relfilenode was to allow table versioning, which we still want.
+
+Vadim suggested long ago that bufmgr, smgr, and below should have
+nothing to do with referencing files by relcache entries; they should
+only deal in physical file identifiers. That requires some tedious but
+(in principle) straightforward API changes.
+
+BTW, if tablespaces can be shared by databases then DROP DATABASE
+becomes rather tricky: how do you zap the correct files out of a shared
+tablespace, keeping in mind that you are not logged into the doomed
+database and can't look at its catalogs? The best idea I've seen for
+this so far is:
+
+1. Access path for tables is really
+ $PGDATA/base/databaseoid/tablespaceoid/relfilenode.
+(BTW, we could save some work if we chdir'd into
+$PGDATA/base/databaseoid at backend start and then used only relative
+tablespaceoid/relfilenode paths. Right now we tend to use absolute
+paths because the bootstrap code doesn't do that chdir; which seems
+like a stupid solution...)
+
+2. A shared tablespace directory contains a subdirectory for each database
+that has files in the tablespace. Thus, the actual filesystem location
+of a table is something like
+ <tablespace>/databaseoid/relfilenode
+The symlink from a database's $PGDATA/base/databaseoid/ directory to
+the tablespace points at <tablespace>/databaseoid. The first attempt to
+create a table in a tablespace from a particular database will create
+the hard subdirectory and set up the symlink; or perhaps that should be
+done by an explicit tablespace management operation to "connect" the
+database to the tablespace.
+
+3. To drop a database, we examine the symlinks in its
+$PGDATA/base/databaseoid/ and rm -rf each referenced tablespace
+subdirectory before rm -rf'ing $PGDATA/base/databaseoid.
+
+ regards, tom lane
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